Update on Orange County's "Good Cause" Requirement as of March 26, 2015
Many people have been concerned about the recent change in Orange County Sheriff Department's change in their requirements for "good cause" that must be proven to obtain a permit after March 26th, 2015. We've spoken to several of our partner training providers and the general consensus is that the OCSD will continue to issue permits, perhaps with a little less rigidness than before the initial changes in 2014. The OCSD highly encourages you to go forward with the process and to not be dissuaded by the recent changes. Compile a statement of your safety concerns and present them to the best of your ability. Our friends over at the Artemis Defense Institute provided the following blog posting from some of the information they were able to gather. Please let us know if you have any questions and don't let this recent change weigh too heavily on your decision to apply. For more information on how the "good cause" process works, follow this link to a more recent update on how this takes place:
A special message from the owners of Artemis...
TO ALL OF OUR CCW CLIENTS AND THOSE INTERESTED...
On Thursday of last week, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decided to re-hear the case: Peruta vs. San Diego (scheduled for June 15, 2015). And specifically, mandating that the original Peruta appellate decision NOT be used as precedence which included judicial notice that "general interest in self defense" was sufficient "good cause".
On Friday, the Orange County Sheriff's Department issued a statement stating that all new CCW applicants must supply a Good Cause Statement (consistent with the recent orders of the 9th Circuit Courts of Appeals).
This has caused great concern among CCW holders, pending applicants and those interested in obtaining a CCW. Prior to Peruta, the standard of "good cause" which is subjective was considered very high... most of us were left concerned that the "new position" of the Sheriff was to return to that very high standard of good cause thereby making a CCW impossible for most citizens to obtain.
On Sunday, we were at Prado Shooting Park with CCW Class #11. While there I ran into Hansan (Hollywood) from Falcon Ops. Falcon Ops was teaching a class on another range. I mentioned our dissapointment on the recent OCSD policy change. He said, "I'm teaching a class right now and one of the background investigators for OCSD is a student. It's all good. Go introduce yourself and he will give you some good intel."
I went over to where his class was loading magazines and introduced myself to one of the investigators. He took me aside and told me the following:
OCSD is still very very pro CCW. Because of the specific of the En Banc notice (Peruta cannot be used for precedent) OCSD cannot accept "general interest in self-defense" as articulated in the Peruta decsion as the "good cause". He then told me "just about anything else you can think of will be considered good cause."
This is the way things stand: If you have your CCW, you're good. If you are in the process, completed everything but the training, you are probably still good but, there is a chance you will be contacted and asked to provide "a reason". The reason can be just about anything... to quote him "I'm Jewish and I'm worried about the terroism in Europe... My husband travels and I have to walk the dog at night... I go to the gym alone at night" These are all going to be considered good to go.
They just need something... some sort of "reason" other than "general interest in self-defense" (that phrase) as was articulated in Peruta. He stated the Dept. is pro-CCW and his Lt. is pro-ccw. They want to continue servicing the demand of OC residents to get their permits.
I asked him if this was on background or if I could publish this. He said "Yeah... absolutely... let your students know... publish it on the forums".
I don't want to inundate him with emails, but if you are a reporting agency and want to contact him directly... send me a message and I will give you his email address.
If you have recently been approved or denied, we ask that you contact us to keep us abreast of any further developments.
If you currently have a training class for your CCW scheduled with us, and you feel that you do not want to continue with the CCW process, please contact us.
This is still in "process", check our facebook page often... we will update as new information becomes available.
Steven and Sandy
A special message from the owners of Artemis...
TO ALL OF OUR CCW CLIENTS AND THOSE INTERESTED...
On Thursday of last week, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decided to re-hear the case: Peruta vs. San Diego (scheduled for June 15, 2015). And specifically, mandating that the original Peruta appellate decision NOT be used as precedence which included judicial notice that "general interest in self defense" was sufficient "good cause".
On Friday, the Orange County Sheriff's Department issued a statement stating that all new CCW applicants must supply a Good Cause Statement (consistent with the recent orders of the 9th Circuit Courts of Appeals).
This has caused great concern among CCW holders, pending applicants and those interested in obtaining a CCW. Prior to Peruta, the standard of "good cause" which is subjective was considered very high... most of us were left concerned that the "new position" of the Sheriff was to return to that very high standard of good cause thereby making a CCW impossible for most citizens to obtain.
On Sunday, we were at Prado Shooting Park with CCW Class #11. While there I ran into Hansan (Hollywood) from Falcon Ops. Falcon Ops was teaching a class on another range. I mentioned our dissapointment on the recent OCSD policy change. He said, "I'm teaching a class right now and one of the background investigators for OCSD is a student. It's all good. Go introduce yourself and he will give you some good intel."
I went over to where his class was loading magazines and introduced myself to one of the investigators. He took me aside and told me the following:
OCSD is still very very pro CCW. Because of the specific of the En Banc notice (Peruta cannot be used for precedent) OCSD cannot accept "general interest in self-defense" as articulated in the Peruta decsion as the "good cause". He then told me "just about anything else you can think of will be considered good cause."
This is the way things stand: If you have your CCW, you're good. If you are in the process, completed everything but the training, you are probably still good but, there is a chance you will be contacted and asked to provide "a reason". The reason can be just about anything... to quote him "I'm Jewish and I'm worried about the terroism in Europe... My husband travels and I have to walk the dog at night... I go to the gym alone at night" These are all going to be considered good to go.
They just need something... some sort of "reason" other than "general interest in self-defense" (that phrase) as was articulated in Peruta. He stated the Dept. is pro-CCW and his Lt. is pro-ccw. They want to continue servicing the demand of OC residents to get their permits.
I asked him if this was on background or if I could publish this. He said "Yeah... absolutely... let your students know... publish it on the forums".
I don't want to inundate him with emails, but if you are a reporting agency and want to contact him directly... send me a message and I will give you his email address.
If you have recently been approved or denied, we ask that you contact us to keep us abreast of any further developments.
If you currently have a training class for your CCW scheduled with us, and you feel that you do not want to continue with the CCW process, please contact us.
This is still in "process", check our facebook page often... we will update as new information becomes available.
Steven and Sandy